siteseer Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 A friend has an odd fossil that appears to be a fruit. It's from a Miocene coal deposit in Germany. The tag says Magnoliaspermum sp. There doesn't seem to be much about this genus on the web though I did find a reference to a species, M. geinitzii. Is it a form genus for fruits that may be associated with magnolias or is it an extinct genus related to magnolias or something else? I don't know a lot about fossil plants other than the general history and I don't have a reference for it. The formation is given as Braunkohle Lignite but "Braunkohle" is the German word for lignite so I think there's a misunderstanding on that one. Jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted July 19, 2020 Author Share Posted July 19, 2020 There's another fruit from the same deposit called Palliopora symplocoides. I've never heard of that genus either and there doesn't seem to be any discussion of it on the web. Does anyone know about that one? It appears some obscure plants come out of that lignite. Jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Ammonite Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) On 7/18/2020 at 11:32 PM, siteseer said: There's another fruit from the same deposit called Palliopora symplocoides. I've never heard of that genus either and there doesn't seem to be any discussion of it on the web. Does anyone know about that one? It appears some obscure plants come out of that lignite. Jess I find hits for Palliopora symplocoides via Google: https://www.google.com/search?q=Palliopora+symplocoides&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari M. geinitzii probably refers to Myrtophyllum geinitzii Heer. I do not find much for Magnoliaspermum. Maybe @paleoflor has more insight. Edited July 20, 2020 by DPS Ammonite 1 My goal is to leave no stone or fossil unturned. See my Arizona Paleontology Guide link The best single resource for Arizona paleontology anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 "Magnoliaspermum" is a Myricaceid. Your fossil might be from the (Miocene) Fischer-/Adendorf clay pit(lignite) The micropyle should be a small hole "M"was "defined" by Engelhardt in 1870 Palliopora is figured by Kirchheimer in Palaeontographica Abteilung B Band 090 Lieferung 1-3 (1949), p. 1 - 52 (edited by user) edit two: recte: Pallioporia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 The correct spelling is: Magnoliaespermum Gregor, H.J. 1983 Neue Pflanzenfossilien aus der niederrheinischen Braunkohle. 4: Magnoliaespermum geinitzii (ENGELHARDT) KIRCHHEIMER - eine Myricacee!. Documenta naturae, 13:1-18 PDF text from: Kirchheimer, F. 1939. Über die botanische Zugehörigkeit weiterer Frucht-und Samenreste, besonders aus den Braunkohlenschichten Sachsens. Planta, 29(2):262-278 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 Thanks everybody. Thanks for the correction on the spelling and the PDF, Scott. I didn't get the extra "e" from my friend. I found some German text that helps. Jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted July 20, 2020 Author Share Posted July 20, 2020 23 hours ago, doushantuo said: "Magnoliaspermum" is a Myricaceid. Your fossil might be from the (Miocene) Fischer-/Adendorf clay pit(lignite) The micropyle should be a small hole "M"was "defined" by Engelhardt in 1870 Palliopora is figured by Kirchheimer in Palaeontographica Abteilung B Band 090 Lieferung 1-3 (1949), p. 1 - 52 (edited by user) edit two: recte: Pallioporia One of the references had Magnoliaespermum in the magnolia family and another said it should be moved to the Myricaceae. It appears to be an extinct genus. Thanks, Jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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