timhigg Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 I'm don't know about this. What do you think? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMert Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Worn mammal tooth? My sites & reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petalodus12 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Geological setting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricWonders Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 @tbr yes, I would say dire wolf but @Harry Pristis @Shellseeker @Bone Daddy should be able to give a more positive I.D, great find 13 minutes ago, Petalodus12 said: Geological setting? It looks like it was found in a river or the ocean in Florida(you can tell by the layer of stuff over the tooth) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 The significant measurements of such a tooth are length and width of the crown. I think it is a canid, probably a dire wolf. 3 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timhigg Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 Yes, on the beach near Jensen Florida. Looks much like Harry's pictures. I thought it might have a broken crown, but it looks like his with one side lower. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timhigg Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) The measurements match Harry's well. Crown length is maybe just a touch under 1.5 inches. The width is about right too. Thanks all. I think I mentioned it came from a beach near Jensen Florida. Edited August 9, 2020 by timhigg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timhigg Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 I just found another tooth that looks like it might be a Dire Wolf too. Both were beach finds near Jensen Florida, but I know they weren't found at the same time because I distinctly remember finding one of them very much alone near the water line. Don't remember when I found the other. Here are pictures of the new one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 This is a P4, an upper carnassial from a canid, perhaps a dire wolf. In canids such as Canis latrans, the upper carnassials (the large pointy cheek tooth) are the fourth premolars (P4). The lower carnassial teeth are the first molar (m1). It's easy usually to distinguish between canid upper and lower carnassials. The upper carnassial (P4) in canids has three roots (or "fangs" as they are called in some books). The lower carnassial - the molar - has only two roots. These coyote upper carnassials have a crown length of about 0.8" or ~20.3mm. Other canid P4 crown lengths are: For 50 dogs, C. familiaris, the avg. length was . . . . . . . . . . . . 19.28mm For 111 female coyotes, C. latrans, the avg. lngth. was . . . . . . 19.60mm For 166 male coyotes, the average length was . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20.38mm For 12 eastern female gray wolves, C. lupus, the avg. was . . . . 22.67mm For 19 eastern male gray wolves, the avg. P4 length was . . . . . . . . . . 24.55mm For a good number of dire wolves, C. dirus, the crown length. . . . 30-35mm 3 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timhigg Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 Very helpful. Thanks much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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