PODIGGER Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Found this specimen in the Peace River, FL last week. I almost tossed it thinking it was a piece of modern bone but then decided to try and ID it. I have not been successful on my own - maybe looking in the wrong place? The only thing it resembles, to my eyes, is a crab claw. It is hollow and measures 21mm long X 11 MM at its widest. The black portion appears to be enamel. Maybe the tip off a modern crab claw? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Looks like a crustacean claw to me, too. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I do not think it is crab, because crabs have no enamel. I think it was being formed when the mammal died. Can you provide more viewed. From the "root" end and where ever the other side of the brown stuff ends. Open Root ? Maybe @Boesse has seen similar... I am almost clueless... maybe dugong or gomph. http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/112287-bonevalleytooth/ The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PODIGGER Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 Thanks Jack. Here are some additional photos from the hollow/root end and other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PODIGGER Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 Tidgy's Dad - Thanks for your input. Interesting possibilities ahead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesse Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 This is an unworn lateral horse incisor (or possibly a different ungulate). I found one of these in a creekbed in high school. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PODIGGER Posted June 1, 2022 Author Share Posted June 1, 2022 Thanks @Boesse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Boesse said: This is an unworn lateral horse incisor (or possibly a different ungulate). I found one of these in a creekbed in high school. Uhh . . . I don't think this is a horse tooth of any sort. Since enamel is laid down first, this is a complete tooth crown, and horse incisor enamel has no serrations or other rugosities. The peaked gap in the enamel reminds me of a suid incisor . . . something like a deciduous incisor or even a deciduous canine. If this is a tooth, I don't know what it came from; but, I can eliminate some common possibilities like bovids, perissodactyls, and camelids. 2 1 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesse Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 @Harry Pristis Do you have any photos of unworn, freshly erupted horse incisors? I don't recall why it was identified as that, just that it had been (by someone, I'm not even sure if it was me) and that was... literally 20 years ago now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 10 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: If this is a tooth, I don't know what it came from; Harry, I am trying to isolate the little we know. The fossil seems to have rugose enamel with open root cavity, That means it must be tooth or tusk. I was thinking about Rynchotherium tusks which have an enamel band. Here is a fossil we never really identified. It had rugose enamel with a hollow root. You thought it might be dugong tusk. http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/112287-bonevalleytooth/ Also, what is the material in addition to the enamel? It looks like open cavity alligator root. Do you know or have incisors that have open root like the @PODIGGER find? Jim, I am assuming that you have sent photos to Fossil Florida Identification Service -Richard Hulbert. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Boesse said: @Harry Pristis Do you have any photos of unworn, freshly erupted horse incisors? I don't recall why it was identified as that, just that it had been (by someone, I'm not even sure if it was me) and that was... literally 20 years ago now. Yes, Bobby, I'm sure I have a few unworn incisors. I'll look for 'em tomorrow and make an image. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 DDon't focus on the open root, Jack. All mammal teeth have "open roots" at some part of their development. The tooth in question has not fully developed its root. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PODIGGER Posted June 2, 2022 Author Share Posted June 2, 2022 Thanks to all for the input and interest. I will be sending the photos to Dr Hulbert today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PODIGGER Posted June 2, 2022 Author Share Posted June 2, 2022 Dr Hulbert responded that this is definitely a mammal incisor and definitely not horse. He is in agreement with @Harry Pristis. His opinion - Either peccary or pig and most likely pig. Again, Thanks to all for your input and discussion of the possibilities. Jim W. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 19 hours ago, Boesse said: @Harry Pristis Do you have any photos of unworn, freshly erupted horse incisors? I don't recall why it was identified as that, just that it had been (by someone, I'm not even sure if it was me) and that was... literally 20 years ago now. Here are some of the examples I found: http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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