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Found this specimen in the Peace River, FL last week.  I almost tossed it thinking it was a piece of modern bone but then decided to try and ID it.  I have not been successful on my own - maybe looking in the wrong place? The only thing it resembles, to my eyes, is a crab claw.  It is hollow and measures 21mm long X 11 MM at its widest.  The black portion appears to be enamel. Maybe the tip off a modern crab claw?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!

 

 

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Looks like a crustacean claw to me, too. 

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I do not think it is crab, because crabs have no enamel. I think it was being formed when the mammal died. Can you provide more viewed.  From the "root" end and where ever the other side of the brown stuff ends. Open Root ?  Maybe @Boesse has seen similar...

I am almost clueless... maybe dugong or gomph.

http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/112287-bonevalleytooth/

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Thanks Jack.  Here are some additional photos from the hollow/root end and other side.

 

 

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This is an unworn lateral horse incisor (or possibly a different ungulate). I found one of these in a creekbed in high school.

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2 hours ago, Boesse said:

This is an unworn lateral horse incisor (or possibly a different ungulate). I found one of these in a creekbed in high school.

Uhh . . . I don't think this is a horse tooth of any sort.  Since enamel is laid down first, this is a complete tooth crown, and horse incisor enamel has no serrations or other rugosities.  The peaked gap in the enamel reminds me of a suid incisor . . . something like a deciduous incisor or even a deciduous canine. 

  If this is a tooth, I don't know what it came from; but, I can eliminate some common possibilities like bovids, perissodactyls, and camelids.

 

 

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@Harry Pristis Do you have any photos of unworn, freshly erupted horse incisors? I don't recall why it was identified as that, just that it had been (by someone, I'm not even sure if it was me) and that was... literally 20 years ago now.

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10 hours ago, Harry Pristis said:

If this is a tooth, I don't know what it came from;

Harry, I am trying to isolate the little we know.  The fossil seems to have rugose enamel with open root cavity,   That means it must be  tooth or tusk. I was thinking about Rynchotherium tusks which have an enamel band. Here is a fossil we never really identified. It had rugose enamel with a hollow root. You thought it might be dugong tusk.

http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/112287-bonevalleytooth/

 

Also,  what is the material in addition to the enamel?  It looks like open cavity alligator root. Do you know or have incisors that have open root like the @PODIGGER find?  Jim, I am assuming that you have sent photos to Fossil Florida Identification Service -Richard Hulbert.  :popcorn:

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3 hours ago, Boesse said:

@Harry Pristis Do you have any photos of unworn, freshly erupted horse incisors? I don't recall why it was identified as that, just that it had been (by someone, I'm not even sure if it was me) and that was... literally 20 years ago now.

Yes, Bobby, I'm sure I have a few unworn incisors.  I'll look for 'em tomorrow and make an image.

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DDon't focus on the open root, Jack.  All mammal teeth have "open roots" at some part of their development.  The tooth in question has not fully developed its root.

http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

 

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Thanks to all for the input and interest. I will be sending the photos to Dr Hulbert today.

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Dr Hulbert responded that this is definitely a mammal incisor and definitely not horse.  He is in agreement with @Harry Pristis.  His opinion - Either peccary or pig and most likely pig.

Again, Thanks to all for your input and discussion of the possibilities.

 

Jim W.

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19 hours ago, Boesse said:

@Harry Pristis Do you have any photos of unworn, freshly erupted horse incisors? I don't recall why it was identified as that, just that it had been (by someone, I'm not even sure if it was me) and that was... literally 20 years ago now.

Here are some of the examples I found:

 

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http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page

 

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In the dark backward and abysm of time?

---Shakespeare, The Tempest

 

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