Rexofspades Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Hi all! Went to the Peace river for the 1st time on Thanksgiving break, had a blast, am going to write a trip report soon. But these 4 bones are stumping me as to what they could be. Everything found was in the lower Peace. The finds are numbered for convenience. Thanks in advance for any help and guidance! 1) in my research, this looks like a camel unciform bone, but I wanted to ask around to make sure 2) my gut tells me this could be bison something, but I have no idea what part of the bison skeleton it is, if there's some anatomy resources available let me know. 3) this bone was dense, it's probably unlikely to ID, but I wanted to rule out Mammoth or not. 4) lastly what is probably yet another horse/bison frag. This one was annoying to figure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Looks like you had a great time, but I will defer to Harry, who created and sold these fantastic boxes over the years... Your 1st is a camel unciform (can we differentiate between Hemiauchenia and Paleolama?). I do not think the 3rd is identifiable but we'll see.. Nice collection !!! 1 1 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 17 hours ago, Shellseeker said: Looks like you had a great time, but I will defer to Harry, who created and sold these fantastic boxes over the years... Your 1st is a camel unciform (can we differentiate between Hemiauchenia and Paleolama?). I do not think the 3rd is identifiable but we'll see.. Nice collection !!! Thanks for the mention, Jack. Mammal carpals and tarsals can be devilishly difficult to identify from images. These bones are highly detailed 3-dimensional objects which are not easily represented in two dimensions. Even Hulbert declined to make guesses based on some of my (pretty good) images -- he needed the bones in hand. I was determined to build a comparative collection to solve this problem. I did that by visits to the FSM "range" to reliably identify my finds by comparing them to museum specimens. After some considerable effort, I felt confident enough in February, 2013, to see if there was interest on the Forum in a starter comparative collection. I don't remember if I ever offered this particular box of bones for sale, and I still have it here. 1 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 19 hours ago, Rexofspades said: 4) lastly what is probably yet another horse/bison frag. This one was annoying to figure out. You might get some insights from this thread: 1 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexofspades Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: Thanks for the mention, Jack. Mammal carpals and tarsals can be devilishly difficult to identify from images. These bones are highly detailed 3-dimensional objects which are not easily represented in two dimensions. Even Hulbert declined to make guesses based on some of my (pretty good) images -- he needed the bones in hand. I was determined to build a comparative collection to solve this problem. I did that by visits to the FSM "range" to reliably identify my finds by comparing them to museum specimens. After some considerable effort, I felt confident enough in February, 2013, to see if there was interest on the Forum in a starter comparative collection. I don't remember if I ever offered this particular box of bones for sale, and I still have it here. Harry I'd like to personally thank you! (your collection there was what I used to ID the camel) for a better chance at getting them identified, is there a way I could figure our which part of the bone is Up? Or front? Edited November 23, 2023 by Rexofspades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Glad to help, Rexofspades. 2 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexofspades Posted November 26, 2023 Author Share Posted November 26, 2023 On 11/23/2023 at 1:46 PM, Harry Pristis said: Thanks for the mention, Jack. Mammal carpals and tarsals can be devilishly difficult to identify from images. These bones are highly detailed 3-dimensional objects which are not easily represented in two dimensions. Even Hulbert declined to make guesses based on some of my (pretty good) images -- he needed the bones in hand. I was determined to build a comparative collection to solve this problem. I did that by visits to the FSM "range" to reliably identify my finds by comparing them to museum specimens. After some considerable effort, I felt confident enough in February, 2013, to see if there was interest on the Forum in a starter comparative collection. I don't remember if I ever offered this particular box of bones for sale, and I still have it here. I got to thinking, if I could send a photogrammetry file, would that help? I did some tinkering with this photogrammetry app and I think it might be a game changer as you can rotate the 3 dimensional object to look at it from all angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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