Peace River Bone ID Thanksgiving edition!

[Rexofspades]

Hi all! 

 

Went to the Peace river for the 1st time on Thanksgiving break, had a blast, am going to write a trip report soon. But these 4 bones are stumping me as to what they could be.  Everything found was in the lower Peace. The finds are numbered for convenience. Thanks in advance for any help and guidance!

 

1) in my research, this looks like a camel unciform bone, but I wanted to ask around to make sure

 

2) my gut tells me this could be bison something,  but I have no idea what part of the bison skeleton it is, if there's some anatomy resources available let me know.

 

 

3) this bone was dense, it's probably unlikely to ID, but I wanted to rule out Mammoth or not.

 

 

4) lastly what is probably yet another horse/bison frag. This one was annoying to figure out.

 

[Shellseeker]

Looks like you had a great time,  but I will defer to Harry,  who created and sold these fantastic boxes over the years... Your 1st is a camel unciform (can we differentiate between Hemiauchenia and Paleolama?).  I do not think the 3rd is identifiable but we'll see..  Nice collection !!!

 

[Harry Pristis]

17 hours ago, Shellseeker said:

Looks like you had a great time,  but I will defer to Harry,  who created and sold these fantastic boxes over the years... Your 1st is a camel unciform (can we differentiate between Hemiauchenia and Paleolama?).  I do not think the 3rd is identifiable but we'll see..  Nice collection !!!

 

  Thanks for the mention, Jack.  Mammal carpals and tarsals can be devilishly difficult to identify from images.  These bones are highly detailed 3-dimensional objects which are not easily represented in two dimensions.  Even Hulbert declined to make guesses based on some of my (pretty good) images -- he needed the bones in hand.   I was determined to build a comparative collection to solve this problem.  I did that by visits to the FSM "range" to reliably identify my finds by comparing them to museum specimens.

  After some considerable effort, I felt confident enough in February, 2013, to see if there was interest on the Forum in a starter comparative collection.  I don't remember if I ever offered this particular box of bones for sale, and I still have it here.  

[Shellseeker]

19 hours ago, Rexofspades said:

4) lastly what is probably yet another horse/bison frag. This one was annoying to figure out.

 

You might get some insights from this thread:

 

[Rexofspades]

4 hours ago, Harry Pristis said:

  Thanks for the mention, Jack.  Mammal carpals and tarsals can be devilishly difficult to identify from images.  These bones are highly detailed 3-dimensional objects which are not easily represented in two dimensions.  Even Hulbert declined to make guesses based on some of my (pretty good) images -- he needed the bones in hand.   I was determined to build a comparative collection to solve this problem.  I did that by visits to the FSM "range" to reliably identify my finds by comparing them to museum specimens.

  After some considerable effort, I felt confident enough in February, 2013, to see if there was interest on the Forum in a starter comparative collection.  I don't remember if I ever offered this particular box of bones for sale, and I still have it here.  

Harry I'd like to personally thank you! (your collection there was what I used to ID the camel) for a better chance at getting them identified, is there a way I could figure our which part of the bone is Up? Or front?

Edited November 23, 2023 by Rexofspades

[Harry Pristis]

Glad to help, Rexofspades.

 

[Rexofspades]

On 11/23/2023 at 1:46 PM, Harry Pristis said:

  Thanks for the mention, Jack.  Mammal carpals and tarsals can be devilishly difficult to identify from images.  These bones are highly detailed 3-dimensional objects which are not easily represented in two dimensions.  Even Hulbert declined to make guesses based on some of my (pretty good) images -- he needed the bones in hand.   I was determined to build a comparative collection to solve this problem.  I did that by visits to the FSM "range" to reliably identify my finds by comparing them to museum specimens.

  After some considerable effort, I felt confident enough in February, 2013, to see if there was interest on the Forum in a starter comparative collection.  I don't remember if I ever offered this particular box of bones for sale, and I still have it here.  

I got to thinking, if I could send a photogrammetry file, would that help? I did some tinkering with this photogrammetry app and I think it might be a game changer as you can rotate the 3 dimensional object to look at it from all angles.