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(Baby?) Mammal Molar Fragment?


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Found this in glacial deposits in E Kansas.

I understand that it is not a complete tooth, so I’m not expecting a miracle :)

 

 I’ve never found a tooth with whorls like this one, so I’m a little lost.

As always, I appreciate the help!

 

 

 

 

 

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-Jay

 

 

“The earth doesn't need new continents, but new men.”
― Jules Verne, Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea

 

 

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38 minutes ago, SawTooth said:

Could it be one of those juvenile mastodon teeth? @Shellseeker @digit

Don’t get my hopes up like that…. 😉 

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-Jay

 

 

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― Jules Verne, Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea

 

 

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Certainly has the right look and feel. Super worn and polished for sure. Let's see what @Harry Pristis thinks on this one.

 

 

Cheers.

 

-Ken

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Looks like a grass grazer tooth to me..the teeth i usually find have distinctive color variations on the chewing surface..Ill let the experts confirm this.

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It's not any sort of tooth I recognize.  The occlusal surface - even unworn - does not appear to be right for elephantoid.  Furthermore, I cannot identify roots or pulp cavity on the find.  Interesting find, but I reluctantly guess it's mineralogical.  :Confused05:

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In the dark backward and abysm of time?

---Shakespeare, The Tempest

 

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Thanks, Harry! The elongated layering is the only thing that hinted at mammoth but it is small and highly worn/polished so I'd not bet my bottom dollar on it. ;)

 

 

Cheers.

 

-Ken

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This might be completely off the wall but, could it be horse?

 

In picture five it kinda looks like a weathered chewing surface of a horse molar with all the twists and lines on it.

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2 minutes ago, jikohr said:

This might be completely off the wall but, could it be horse?

Would be the right size for that--a little 3-toed one. ;)

 

 

Cheers.

 

-Ken

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Thank you so much everyone for all of the suggestions and comments!

 

I will add, it is certainly not mineralogical.  We have found many teeth in the locality, along with many nice agates.

My apologies for the less-than-crisp images, I had a hard time getting it to focus :)

14 minutes ago, jikohr said:

This might be completely off the wall but, could it be horse?

 

In picture five it kinda looks like a weathered chewing surface of a horse molar with all the twists and lines on it.

 

11 minutes ago, digit said:

Would be the right size for that--a little 3-toed one. ;)

 

 

Cheers.

 

-Ken

I think you may be on to something, I found this pic for reference:

 

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Would be neat, as I have yet to find any 3-toed horse specimens!

Thoughts?

 

Again, thank you so much everyone!

-Jay

 

 

“The earth doesn't need new continents, but new men.”
― Jules Verne, Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea

 

 

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Thanks for all of the help guys.

I’m pretty sure I’ll be labeling this as ‘unknown’, however I thought I might as well post my (poor) attempt to highlight the enamel with the blue lines.  :)

 

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-Jay

 

 

“The earth doesn't need new continents, but new men.”
― Jules Verne, Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea

 

 

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Not to beat a dead horse but after you posted the pics with the blue outline it had so many contact points it made me immediately think of pig. 
 

Still another maybe… but peccary or pig m3, broken into just the center cusp and odd third cusp and ground down…  

 

weird mastodon kinda pattern 👍

Found in your area👍

The last peccary teeth were some high gloss👍

Size👍

root structure would be weird diagonal towards the back of m3 

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I think I figured it out.  It is a very river worn/polished fragment of a baby/juvenile mammoth tooth.  My apologies for the poor picture quality when I originally posted this id request.

 

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-Jay

 

 

“The earth doesn't need new continents, but new men.”
― Jules Verne, Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea

 

 

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