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Can shark teeth become steinkerns?


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Hello, I have a question about fossil shark teeth. I was wondering if it is scientifically possible if shark teeth could decay and turn into a steinkern during the fossilization process Also wondering if some tooth shaped rock may have been a tooth at one time, before decaying and sediment filling in the impression of the tooth?

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I'm a newer hobbyist (and don't have a background in science), so I probably can't explain this as well as others, but I'll do my best.

 

This explains how the different materials in shark teeth fossilize:

 

https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/science/are-shark-teeth-fossils-true-fossils/#:~:text=The short version%3A The shark,are found in local creeks.

 

You can find really worn teeth that have lost all of their enamel and I would assume the dentin then mineralizes more, but its not going to be the same material and texture as a steinkern of a gastropod, for example.  You can still tell it's not a tooth shaped rock.

 

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6 minutes ago, Fin Lover said:

I'm a newer hobbyist (and don't have a background in science), so I probably can't explain this as well as others, but I'll do my best.

 

This explains how the different materials in shark teeth fossilize:

 

https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/science/are-shark-teeth-fossils-true-fossils/#:~:text=The short version%3A The shark,are found in local creeks.

 

You can find really worn teeth that have lost all of their enamel and I would assume the dentin then mineralizes to some extent, but its not going to be the same material and texture as a steinkern of a gastropod, for example.  You can still definitely tell it's not a tooth shaped rock.

Thank you, thats very helpful.

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35 minutes ago, Mosasaurhunter said:

Thank you, thats very helpful.

We'll see how much of my answer gets corrected or worded differently.  :)

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No. 
 

A steinkern, or internal mold, is the hardened filling inside of a hollow fossil such as a gastropod or clam per professional invertebrate paleontologists. There is no hollow inside of a shark tooth to fill.

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An external cast is theoretically possible from the mould left after a tooth is lost from a matrix, leaving an external mould which could be filled with different sediment or mineral. 
Probably only a partial cast would be possible as the tooth would have to fall out - I don't think there's anything naturally occurring that would dissolve one and leave the matrix?

I was only thinking this because of this little (8mm) Mississippian one in shale that I have where the central crown has been lost. :) 
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38 minutes ago, TqB said:

An external cast is theoretically possible from the mould left after a tooth is lost from a matrix, leaving an external mould which could be filled with different sediment or mineral. 
Probably only a partial cast would be possible as the tooth would have to fall out - I don't think there's anything naturally occurring that would dissolve one and leave the matrix?

I was only thinking this because of this little (8mm) Mississippian one in shale that I have where the central crown has been lost. :) 
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I have seen pictures of opalized vertebrate bones (casts) from Australia. I wonder what the conditions were for the bones to be replaced by opal. 
 

https://www.opalauctions.com/learn/did-you-know/australian-dinosaurs-opalised-bones

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I have seen pictures of opalized vertebrate bones (casts) from Australia. I wonder what the conditions were for the bones to be replaced by opal. 
 

https://www.opalauctions.com/learn/did-you-know/australian-dinosaurs-opalised-bones

That's an interesting one, and it includes teeth where the chemistry is different. Maybe a version of molecule by molecule silica replacement from percolating fluid? I know that the molluscs (including the lovely belemnites that I've always coveted) are just cavity fills, external casts.
Potted explanation of both types:
How Do Opalised Fossils Form?
 

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22 hours ago, TqB said:

An external cast is theoretically possible from the mould left after a tooth is lost from a matrix, leaving an external mould which could be filled with different sediment or mineral. 
Probably only a partial cast would be possible as the tooth would have to fall out - I don't think there's anything naturally occurring that would dissolve one and leave the matrix?

I was only thinking this because of this little (8mm) Mississippian one in shale that I have where the central crown has been lost. :) 
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I had an almost external cast of a Campodus tooth. If the concretion had cracked prior to being redeposted into the shallowater limestone (like many concretions at the site) and if the rest of the tooth came out, a majority sediment cast may have been possible. That would still be ungodly rare to occur however, but surprisingly possible.

 

 

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Its a rare case and depositional environment, but I thought it would be interesting to share the idea. 

 

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