JessicaCharleston Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Hey friends! I am primarily interested in identifying this tooth (I think) found in Charleston, SC on Morris Island. Maybe tapir? (25 x 20 x 11 mm). Thank you! I've included some other misc. finds that typically end up being just rocks, but give me pause as a novice! Thank you all so much, you all were incredibly helpful on my first post! I also posted my haul from today at the end just for fun, a little over 100 teeth! Misc. #1: 28 x 21 x 4 mm; sturgeon osteoderm? Misc. #2: 55 x 21 x 13 mm; coprolite? Misc. #3: 25 x 15 x 4 mm Misc. #5: 28 x 19 x 6 mm Misc. #6: 27 x 28 x 11 mm Misc. #7: 31 x 28 x 11 mm Misc. #8: Top (20 x 9 x 4 mm); Bottom (11 x 10 x 4 mm) Misc. #9: 57 x 38 x 18 mm; turtle? Misc. #10: 37 x 10 x 5 mm; fossilized twig? Misc. #11: Top (20 x 30 x10 mm); Bottom (21 x 20 x 12 mm); human artifact vs. hole from drilling bivalve? Misc. #12: 20 x 19 x 7 mm; alligator osteoderm? Misc. #13: 11 x 9 x 5 mm Misc. #14: varying lengths (largest is 60 x 20 x 12 mm); I struggle with marine bone vs. phosphate vs. random rocks And here's my haul from today, just to show! Thank you! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivaldir Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Kudos on the nice picture with clear numbering and size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaCharleston Posted July 22 Author Share Posted July 22 4 hours ago, Ivaldir said: Kudos on the nice picture with clear numbering and size Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 11 hours ago, JessicaCharleston said: Misc. #14: varying lengths (largest is 60 x 20 x 12 mm); I struggle with marine bone vs. phosphate vs. random rocks Welcome to TFF From SW Florida. I have been addicted in fossil hunting for 15 years and I also struggle with these distinction because there are few no differentiators. Ir does not get better the longer you are addicted. You do have a tapir molar. I chose this quote because lower right is certainly a jaw with alveoli, likely dolphin or fish. 1 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaCharleston Posted July 22 Author Share Posted July 22 3 hours ago, Shellseeker said: Welcome to TFF From SW Florida. I have been addicted in fossil hunting for 15 years and I also struggle with these distinction because there are few no differentiators. Ir does not get better the longer you are addicted. You do have a tapir molar. I chose this quote because lower right is certainly a jaw with alveoli, likely dolphin or fish. Thank you for your kind welcome and your help! It is good to know there's not something obvious I'm missing in regards to the potential bones. I may just move towards picking up ones that have some sort of unusual or definite element to them. I am excited about the tapir tooth! Thank you for sharing your image with me! This is a new ID for me, how exciting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Lover Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 6 hours ago, Shellseeker said: I chose this quote because lower right is certainly a jaw with alveoli, likely dolphin or fish. Perhaps it's just me missing something, but I'm not seeing definitive evidence of a jaw in her photo. I see a few indentions, but nothing suggesting alveoli to me. @JessicaCharleston, can we get a close-up photo of that piece of bone? Fin Lover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 19 minutes ago, Fin Lover said: Perhaps it's just me missing something, but I'm not seeing definitive evidence of a jaw in her photo. I see a few indentions, but nothing suggesting alveoli to me. @JessicaCharleston, can we get a close-up photo of that piece of bone? Not definitive evidence, just a suggestion and opinion. I always appreciate multiple points of view, I think we see the same, and just interpret it differently. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Cropped and brightened: Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaCharleston Posted July 23 Author Share Posted July 23 On 7/22/2024 at 3:01 PM, Fin Lover said: Perhaps it's just me missing something, but I'm not seeing definitive evidence of a jaw in her photo. I see a few indentions, but nothing suggesting alveoli to me. @JessicaCharleston, can we get a close-up photo of that piece of bone? Here you go, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fin Lover Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 I think I see the alvioli in the last picture, but I don't know what has teeth in that pattern (it appears two of them are diagonal from each other but others are in a row?). See what others think. @Shellseeker Fin Lover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 On 7/23/2024 at 6:15 PM, Fin Lover said: I think I see the alvioli in the last picture, but I don't know what has teeth in that pattern (it appears two of them are diagonal from each other but others are in a row?). See what others think. @Shellseeker I am intermittent on TFF for 5-6 more days. I agree with you on the point that I have not seen alvioli on an unworn piece of jaw that are only diagonal. Usually, when anything falls into my sieve, I try to ID as tooth, bone, non_fossil, etc In looking at bones that have markings, holes, grooves... I usually ask myself if I have ever seen anything like it previously.. that question will narrow my focus, before I throw it away. It is a very different question than "do I think I know what this bone is?", A few times it helps me understand how I try to ID a bone. 1 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemipristis Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 On 7/22/2024 at 11:07 AM, JessicaCharleston said: Misc. #1: 28 x 21 x 4 mm; sturgeon osteoderm? Could be. Looks sturdier, more "bony" than the sturgeon material I have and have seen however, which is usually flaky. Do you have a cross-section view? On 7/22/2024 at 11:07 AM, JessicaCharleston said: Misc. #2: 55 x 21 x 13 mm; coprolite? ILooks like a possible coprolite. Try the taste test, LOL On 7/22/2024 at 11:07 AM, JessicaCharleston said: Misc. #3: 25 x 15 x 4 mm Partial fish hypural (i.e., tail vertebra). These are usually ascribed to either billfish or Scombridae (tuna family). Unfortunately, I don't see enough for me to opine either way. On 7/22/2024 at 11:07 AM, JessicaCharleston said: Misc. #7: 31 x 28 x 11 mm Possibly turtle carapace On 7/22/2024 at 11:07 AM, JessicaCharleston said: Misc. #9: 57 x 38 x 18 mm; turtle? I think so . 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' George Santayana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaCharleston Posted July 26 Author Share Posted July 26 13 hours ago, hemipristis said: Could be. Looks sturdier, more "bony" than the sturgeon material I have and have seen however, which is usually flaky. Do you have a cross-section view? ILooks like a possible coprolite. Try the taste test, LOL Partial fish hypural (i.e., tail vertebra). These are usually ascribed to either billfish or Scombridae (tuna family). Unfortunately, I don't see enough for me to opine either way. Thank you for all your help! I really appreciate it! Here is the best I could do for the cross section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemipristis Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 4 hours ago, JessicaCharleston said: Thank you for all your help! I really appreciate it! Here is the best I could do for the cross section. With these, I feel comfortable satiating that it is a sturgeon scute 1 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' George Santayana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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