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New site for me: NY rte 9W opposite Glenerie Falls, NY


Bob Clouser

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Back in August I spent about an hour at a new site for me: along NY Rte 9W opposite and a little north of Glenerie Falls. Mostly limestone. I think it's mapped as Onondaga  but I'm not sure. Early or middle Devonian. Below are some pictures. I was hoping some of the experts could suggest identification for them. Any help is appreciated.

 

Lots of spiriferid brachiopods. Two trilobite pygidia. One I think is Phacops. The other I'm not sure: Dechenella, Dalmanites, or Odontochiles. And a tiny little brachiopod with both valves.

Thanks,

Bob

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You have some pretty decent finds, congrats!

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Nice finds, @Bob Clouser!

 

That site exposes the Glenerie Limestone, which is Lower Devonian in age. It's part of the Tri-states group.

 

See my post HERE.

 

The first trilobite pygidium is most likely Synphoria stemmata.

 

You can check out Jeffery P's Lower Devonian album for ID's on your brachiopods. Or Tidgy's Dad's Devonian Topic.

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Your brachiopod with both valves is Leptocoeila flabellites. It is an Atrypid brachiopod. The spirifer brachiopods include Acrospirifer arrectus and Howellela cycloptera (Lower right hand corner of first photo). From your specimens and photos, it's hard though to tell which is which.

 

I think Tim got the trilobite IDs correct. Congratulations on your finds and thanks for sharing. 

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The photo on top is the dalmanitid trilobite anchiopsis anchiopsis, missing the pygidium spine. It occurs in the lower middle devonian limestone.  Nice finds!

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8 hours ago, Quarryman Dave said:

The photo on top is the dalmanitid trilobite Anchiopsis anchiopsis, missing the pygidium spine. It occurs in the lower middle devonian limestone.  Nice finds!

 

The ID I got from Piranha on these is Synphoria stemmata.

I think there had been a name change for these at some point. ;)

 

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Anchiopsis is not present in the Glenerie.  The typical synphoriine dalmanitid is: Synphoria happy0144.gif

 

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Lespérance, P.J., Bourque, P.A. 1971

The Synphoriinae: An Evolutionary Pattern of Lower and Middle Devonian Trilobites.

Journal of Paleontology, 45(2):182-208

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Thanks for correcting me. But they look very similar 

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1 hour ago, Quarryman Dave said:

But they look very similar 

 

 

The pygidium is very similar and a future revision could determine that Anchiopsis is a junior synonym of Synphoria:

 

 

"The conventional concept of the Devonian synphoriine Anchiopsis Delo, 1935 appears to be incompatible with the holotype of the type species, judging from the early illustrations of the specimen, and the genus could be a synonym of Synphoria Clarke, 1894.

 

...that most specimens that have been assigned to Anchiopsis are not conspecific with the holotype of Anchiopsis anchiops, and that Anchiopsis might be a junior synonym of Synphoria. These issues can only be resolved by thorough revision of Anchiopsis including restudy of the type specimens of the type species as well as those of ‘Dalmanites (Chasmops)’ anchiops var. sobrinus and ‘Asaphus’ laticostus, but that is beyond the scope of the present work."

 

Holloway, D.J., Scott, B.M. 2022

Needmorella, A New Trilobite Genus of the Synphoriinae (Dalmanitidae) from the Lower–Middle Devonian of West Virginia.

Journal of Paleontology, 11 pp. [Published in print in 2023, vol. 97, no. 2, pp. 355-365.] https://doi.org/10.1017/jpa.2022.96

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I guess they can't determine that until complete specimens are found?

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21 minutes ago, Quarryman Dave said:

I guess they can't determine that until complete specimens are found?

 

 

The problem is the concept of Anchiopsis Delo 1935 does not match with the holotype of the type species. There are enough specimens....Synphoria and Anchiops have already been described and are currently valid taxa. Since David Holloway highlighted a potential revision, hopefully we can look forward to another excellent paper in the not too distant future.

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Thanks everyone! Would you say the second pygidium is Phacops (or is it called something different nowadays?)

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On 9/2/2024 at 9:26 PM, Jeffrey P said:

Your brachiopod with both valves is Leptocoeila flabellites. It is an Atrypid brachiopod. The spirifer brachiopods include Acrospirifer arrectus and Howellela cycloptera (Lower right hand corner of first photo). From your specimens and photos, it's hard though to tell which is which.

 

I think Tim got the trilobite IDs correct. Congratulations on your finds and thanks for sharing. 

Do you mean the tiny one? 

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7 hours ago, Bob Clouser said:

Do you mean the tiny one? 

 

No the other. The tiny one is probably a Proetida trilobite, possibly what was once known as Phacops logani.

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16 hours ago, Bob Clouser said:

Do you mean the tiny one? 

Oh, I was referring to the tiny brachiopod. Is that what you meant was Leptocoeila flabellites? It's plano-convex.

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5 hours ago, Bob Clouser said:

Oh, I was referring to the tiny brachiopod. Is that what you meant was Leptocoeila flabellites? It's plano-convex.

Yes, the tiny one and also the one below it in matrix. Both are the Atrypid, Leptocoeila. 

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Hey, I wanted to thank everyone for their help. I live in eastern MA and there isn't much fossil collecting around here. I used to live in PA and NJ, where you could fossil collect every weekend. There's also a lot of new genus and species names I'm not familiar with. But it's fun to get back in to this hobby.

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