astron Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 (edited) OK, I can respect that. I'm just one guy! If it's proof you need, I'll try to provide it. Toward that end, have a look at the pics on these sites (if it's not a problem to add a link to another website)... http://www.h5.dion.n...caleYOBAKEe.htm http://www.springeri...481-9271-7_1-11 http://www.museum.st...unid_fish_scale In the meantime, if there is anyone else viewing this thread with something to back me up, please add it! You are one, Eric, but... LION!!! And from the good and desirable ones When I said ''I will come back on this thread when I have more evidences on the one or on the other direction'' I meant evidences found by myself in my hunting area and I am sorry for getting you more tired unreasonably. My doubt comes simply from the fact that my mind can't hold that this very place contains so incredibly abundant fish scales and moreover many of them associated with plant branches and with not any fish found around there sofar. I am sure, I'll find myself in my hunting area the evidences I need. Give me some time and when any news I'll come back to this thread. Just to clarify at the moment that this preservation occurs and in other cases as it is shown in the first three (of four) pics: The main item in the first slab. The seed at the upper side of the second slab. The more of the outer cover of the seed has peeled off but the remaining shows the same preservation and The main item of the third slab close to the seed. This slab is a part of the same slab with this one in the fourth pic. I'll come back soon. Thanks again for your contribution to my collection Edited August 16, 2011 by astron Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hello all. The first item for today is a small slab bearing a quercus sp.leaf on the one side and a bunch of pinus sp. leaves (needles) and a seed backwards. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 A plate with mainly ziziphus ziziphoides seeds, leaves and sections of leaves. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 And last for today 3 plantation hash plates. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangellian Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 You are one, Eric, but... LION!!! And from the good and desirable ones When I said ''I will come back on this thread when I have more evidences on the one or on the other direction'' I meant evidences found by myself in my hunting area and I am sorry for getting you more tired unreasonably. My doubt comes simply from the fact that my mind can't hold that this very place contains so incredibly abundant fish scales and moreover many of them associated with plant branches and with not any fish found around there sofar. I am sure, I'll find myself in my hunting area the evidences I need. Give me some time and when any news I'll come back to this thread. ... Ha! I can be a lion when I am confident -which is not very often, mind you, but I am fairly certain these are fish scales even though you do not find any complete fish - you might never find any complete ones (though I hope you do); I have plenty of scales in my area but still have not found any complete fish, and plant material occurs commonly among the marine fossils here as in your area, but that does not necessarily mean they are related. The cartilagenous material seems to preserve differently than the plant material.. I would even hypothesize that anything you have with that type of preservation (shiny brown) will be fish parts. Didn't you post recently an item that might be a fish head? I am starting to think so, as it has that same shiny brown look. By the way, if you find a nondescript blob filled with scales, that will be a coprolite of something that ate fish (maybe a larger fish). I find these in my area too. I was not bothered by finding those links, I like to help when I can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 Ha! I can be a lion when I am confident -which is not very often, mind you, but I am fairly certain these are fish scales even though you do not find any complete fish - you might never find any complete ones (though I hope you do); I have plenty of scales in my area but still have not found any complete fish, and plant material occurs commonly among the marine fossils here as in your area, but that does not necessarily mean they are related. The cartilagenous material seems to preserve differently than the plant material.. I would even hypothesize that anything you have with that type of preservation (shiny brown) will be fish parts. Didn't you post recently an item that might be a fish head? I am starting to think so, as it has that same shiny brown look. By the way, if you find a nondescript blob filled with scales, that will be a coprolite of something that ate fish (maybe a larger fish). I find these in my area too. I was not bothered by finding those links, I like to help when I can! Ok, Eric! Talk soon... Thanks a lot Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Hello all. I'll go to my village tomorrow afternoon for a few days, where internet not available to me. So I have to present some more things today, if I don't get asleep on my chair... First is a plate with quercus mediterranea and dicotylophyllum leaves. Edited December 14, 2012 by astron Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Another big plate here with some small seeds and quercus mediterranea, dicotylophyllum and pinus sp. leaves. There are also two unknown to me leaves: The first on the upper left side and the second on the right side of the slab. Edited August 18, 2011 by astron Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Three small slabs with seeds. Edited December 14, 2012 by astron Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) Another four small slabs with seeds. The last one is a cupressaceae cone. Edited December 14, 2012 by astron Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) And two more cupressaceae cones. Edited December 14, 2012 by astron Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 And today's last is a slab containing among the rest and a tiny flower on the down right side of the double whitish seeds.Attached are one pic of the hole slab and a close up of the more interesting area of it. I wish you all to have a nice weekend. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 Hello all. Nice to be with you again after some days in my village, where I had the chance to find some not tremendous but interesting fossils. I'll present them here or in the ''Fossil id'' forum next days. For today I am presenting a small group of fossils looking like elongated pods. Each fossil bears a stable width and contains some seed like curved shapes wich are settled irregularly (in groups or seperated) into the ''pod''. But if they were seeds, shouldn't they bear a regular structure? Any help with these fossils id would be appropriately appreciated. Here is the first one. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 Here is the second one and two close ups of it. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 Two more slabs. The first one contains 3 small fossils of this kind and the second slab a bigger elongated fossil with the saved part of the counterpart. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 One more big with a close up. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 24, 2011 Author Share Posted August 24, 2011 And the last for this group and for today is the longer one ( 27 cm long with 0,8 cm in width) with two close ups of it. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 ...Here is the first one. The first one, in particular, looks to me like a twig with insect galls on it. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Feeding damage on the last one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 The first one, in particular, looks to me like a twig with insect galls on it. Thanks a lot, Chas It seems probable. If I have well understood, I think that ''insect galls'' could be an answer to all these alike shapes as well, if they all were on the plant material and not into it... Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 Feeding damage on the last one? Thanks a lot, Gus No idea if any feeging damage could couse these strange shapes... Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share Posted August 26, 2011 Hello all. In my posts 352, 404 and 405 I asserted that the abundant fish scales found in my hunting area are small flowers of sometype induced by their abundance and their assossiation with the plant material. Eric's (Wrangellian's) answer was the following: Posted 13 August 2011 - 01:26 AM I am quite certain they are fish scales, Astrinos, they are a dead ringer for the one I showed you. I see them all the time around here. I don't think flowers would preserve with more detail (and gloss) than your leaves. After the elements kindly provided by Eric and those found in my googling in combination with my following recent fishy finds in this very area, I have no doubt about the Eric's right!!!. Thank you very much, Eric I'll edit appropriately the relative above posts. The first item containing this fishy material is a 32 x 27 cm plate bearing plant material mixed with fish bones and a big and well preserved fish scale. Attached are a pic of the hole slab and two close ups of the fishy material. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share Posted August 26, 2011 A fish vertebra found as well. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share Posted August 26, 2011 I found also two small fishes not in a very good condition (and no pics available) and the attached big slab holdind (but keeping well hidden) fishy material. It needs tones of job to be preped but I'll try it when possible and I'll update if good news on it... Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted August 26, 2011 Author Share Posted August 26, 2011 Tsese two fish scales were already found. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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