astron Posted October 4, 2012 Author Share Posted October 4, 2012 Two more favites sp. corals (2 pics each)... Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 4, 2012 Author Share Posted October 4, 2012 Despite that a bit is missing, this very well preserved favites dp. coral bearing some nice little heliastrea sp. (?) corals was my find of the day. It was going to be dangerous, though... Pic 1 in its original position Pic 2 removed Pic 3 upside down ... oops!!! I had hold the coral twice ... firstly to remove it and secondly to turn it upside down and this poisonous little guy remained unmoved!!!!!!!!!!! Pic 4 close up shot. I feel lucky I didn't touch him during all this process!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it was my first time to this place the most of the above fossils would be collected... but now just the best of them were picked up. Hopefully tommorow what are these... Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 5, 2012 Author Share Posted October 5, 2012 Hello all. Came back with what of the above fossils were collected after their prep. At first some little scleractinian corals (heliastrea sp. ?) The two specimens in the last pic are attached to small porites sp. corals pieces. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 5, 2012 Author Share Posted October 5, 2012 Two crassostrea sp. oysters (2 pics each). The first is attached to a porites sp. coral piece. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 5, 2012 Author Share Posted October 5, 2012 One more crassostrea sp. oyster bearing some little scleractinian corals, while at the back side of this oyster there is the imprint of a porites coral to wich it was attached... Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 5, 2012 Author Share Posted October 5, 2012 A big favites sp. coral (3 pics) and a medium one. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 5, 2012 Author Share Posted October 5, 2012 Four small favites sp corals. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 5, 2012 Author Share Posted October 5, 2012 And finally one more favites sp coral bearing some juvenile scleractinian corals. One of them is the smallest coral I have ever found (2,5 mm)! And the conclusion of the day: The species of this ecosystem were very well connected to one another! Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 7, 2012 Author Share Posted October 7, 2012 Since we are into a marine environment, just to add a gastropod and four bivalves in matrix recently found. Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangellian Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 You've been on a streak lately, Astrinos! Nice ones. I agree your multiple coral (epifauna) is the best, but those mollusks are also impressive! The snail is perfect. It looks to my amateur eye like some kind of Tun shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Dactyll Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Astrinos... Great finds... I love your favourite coral... Its very detailed... And the gastropod & bivalves are pretty nice to Cheers Steve... And Welcome if your a New Member... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Lovely finds, Astrinos! Bravo! Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) Eric, Steve, Tim, Thank you very much, my friends, for the nice comments Eric, sometimes we are amateurs with a professional eye... Yes, it's a Tun (Tonnidae) shell and thanks a lot for the id I was going to jump into some terrestial finds, this odd thing has changed my programme, though... It's about an 107 mm syngnathus sp. fish found last Sunday in my hunting area (late miocene Crete island, Greece). After my search on it, I consider it's possibly an undescribed syngnathus sp. species??? A little part of the vertebral column along with the moved ending part of it (including the tail) are visible under the big dorsal fin, while the main part of the vertebral column is hidden under the very well preserved armored part of the body of the fish. Could the Crustacean feet like pieces posterior to the head of the fish be a part of its food or what else could they represent??? Any aspect of you is well accepted and appreciated... Edited October 10, 2012 by astron Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Eric, Steve, Tim, Thank you very much, my friends, for the nice comments Eric, sometimes we are amateurs with a professional eye... Yes, it's a Tun (Tonnidae) shell and thanks a lot for the id I was going to jump into some terrestial finds, this odd thing has changed my programme, though... It's about an 107 mm syngnathus sp. fish found last Sunday in my hunting area (late miocene Crete island, Greece). After my search on it, I consider it's possibly an undescribed syngnathus sp. species??? A little part of the vertebral column along with the moved ending part of it (including the tail) are visible under the big dorsal fin, while the main part of the vertebral column is hidden under the very well preserved armored part of the body of the fish. Could the shown partial Crustacean feet be a part of the food of the fish or what else could they represent??? Any aspect of you is well accepted and appreciated... Goodness! This is beautiful! Astrinos, what are you refering to as crustacean feet? The pieces directly posterior to the head may be parts of the skull or operculum. I do not know what the other item under the dorsal fin(?) may be. This is quite a fossil - maybe worthy of some museum attention? Wonderful find, my friend. Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 10, 2012 Author Share Posted October 10, 2012 Goodness! This is beautiful! Astrinos, what are you refering to as crustacean feet? The pieces directly posterior to the head may be parts of the skull or operculum. I do not know what the other item under the dorsal fin(?) may be. This is quite a fossil - maybe worthy of some museum attention? Wonderful find, my friend. Regards, Thanks a lot, my friend, for the nice comments and for your important help, as always it is... I have somehow edited my question about the pieces under the body of the fish... When asking ''... or what could they represent???'' came to mind that these pieces could be appendages of some sort but I didn't dare say so, becouse it looked to me like a product of my advanced imagination!!! In order to give you a more clear icon of what happens at the end of the fish, I have tried some more pics from different angle and here is the best one, without being sure if it clears it out... I am still searching on this and if any more news I'll update... Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missourian Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 That is one extremely cool and funny looking fish! Context is critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Dactyll Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Astrinos... Another beauty... They are obviously bones or boney plates associated in someway to the fish I wouldnt of thought it was food remains... Cheers Steve... And Welcome if your a New Member... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Wow, Astrinos! That's a work of art in itself! Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Thanks a lot, my friend, for the nice comments and for your important help, as always it is... I have somehow edited my question about the pieces under the body of the fish... When asking ''... or what could they represent???'' came to mind that these pieces could be appendages of some sort but I didn't dare say so, becouse it looked to me like a product of my advanced imagination!!! In order to give you a more clear icon of what happens at the end of the fish, I have tried some more pics from different angle and here is the best one, without being sure if it clears it out... I am still searching on this and if any more news I'll update... Astrinos, After a bit of research, I believe your new fish is of the Order Sygnathiformes, Suborder Aulostomoidei, Family Centriscidae = Shrimpfishes or Razorfishes. Some close matches include : Aeoliscus, Centriscus, Paramphisile, Aeoliscoides, and Paraeoliscus. The first, Aeoliscus, is, (in my opinion) the best match, based solely on images from Frickhinger's "Atlas: Fossil Fishes" But I would not rule out the others - or the possibility that it may be a new form. They are very unusual fishes, and not altogether all that common a fossil to find. Monte Bolca is one of the areas where this type of fossil can be found. This is a beautiful fish. Congratulations once again on this wonderful find. I will try to find more information on this, to pass along your way. Regards, EDIT: I found this image in oilshale's album of wonderful fishes. EDIT 2 : I think the extraneous pieces behind the head may be parts of bony plates that made up the body, and the structure under the spine is in fact the caudal fin, which sticks out from the body at an odd angle, because these fish swim with their heads down. And you should know, Astrinos, that it was your hint of Sygnathus sp. put me on to this ID. Edited October 15, 2012 by Fossildude19 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Missourian, Steve, Roger, Thank you very much for the nice comments Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 Astrinos, After a bit of research, I believe your new fish is of the Order Sygnathiformes, Suborder Aulostomoidei, Family Centriscidae = Shrimpfishes or Razorfishes. Some close matches include : Aeoliscus, Centriscus, Paramphisile, Aeoliscoides, and Paraeoliscus. The first, Aeoliscus, is, (in my opinion) the best match, based solely on images from Frickhinger's "Atlas: Fossil Fishes" But I would not rule out the others - or the possibility that it may be a new form. They are very unusual fishes, and not altogether all that common a fossil to find. Monte Bolca is one of the areas where this type of fossil can be found. This is a beautiful fish. Congratulations once again on this wonderful find. I will try to find more information on this, to pass along your way. Regards, EDIT: I found this image in oilshale's album of wonderful fishes. EDIT 2 : I think the extraneous pieces behind the head may be parts of bony plates that made up the body, and the structure under the spine is in fact the caudal fin, which sticks out from the body at an odd angle, because these fish swim with their heads down. And you should know, Astrinos, that it was your hint of Sygnathus sp. put me on to this ID. Thank you very much for the great job and help, my friend!!!!!!! I feel privileged being among so helpful TFF members!!! Based on your work, I continued my search on this strange creature and I definitely agree with the order (Sygnathiformes), suborder (Aulostomoidei) and family (Centriscidae). After these, the specimen bears a lot of similarities with the geni aeoliscus sp. ( the species aeoliscus strigatus) and centriscus sp. (the genus centriscus strigatus). And to go a step ahead, after my comparisons to the specimens I found in internet (among them a centriscus strigatus found in Monte Bolca, Italy), I believe it could be of the genus centriscus sp. becouse (after the body) and the head looks to me closer to this species... without being the same, though... Thanks again for your valuable help... Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Hi Astrinos, Take a look at Amphisile cretensis in the family Centriscidae. Found in the same paper with Syngnathus heraklionis: LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Nice job, Scott - Well done! Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astron Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 After Tim, I celebrate for hearing from you, Scott , and thanks a lot for your help This is the second time you send me this PDF and this, of course, was the first paper I paid attention to after finding this fossil. I distinguished severe differences between the discribed and my specimen, though!!! To show you off what I mean, I am attaching 3 heads... 1. My own fish 2. A cenriscus strigatus fish found in Marecchia river, Italy and 3. The amphisile cretensis fish described in the PDF. Thank you very much again for the help, that was and remains important Astrinos P. Damianakis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Hi Astrinos, The difference in the head length is apparent but is it possible that the snout is only partially preserved in your specimen? You might try emailing the author of the paper to help determine the genus you found and or other possible genera for Crete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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