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I saw something on tv once that talked about how antelope ancestors had large brains and now they have smaller brains. The theory is that carnivores needed a larger brain and as grassy plains took over their brains shrank to be much smaller as they became herbivores. I dont know if that has anything to do with your camelid, just thought I'd throw it in. Your pic made me think of it.

Hope I made any sense.

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to rip prehistoric rivals' flesh with. cool, huh?

I can guarantee you that an equine incisor can rip flesh. So maybe your goal is accomplished.... or was that tracer's. Hmmm, maybe I'll quietly back out of here now. shhhh!

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BORING...Are you sure?

Miles, there are collectors that would give their left exogyra for a camel/llama tooth...right, Tracer? Or is that right exogyra, left Tracer.... :blink:

Nick's right, it's been a while since camelids were native to Texas. I'd be surprised if 1 - 2% of Forum members have camelid fossils in their collection. Very cool!

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"Miles, there are collectors that would give their left exogyra for a camel/llama tooth...right, Tracer? Or is that right exogyra, left Tracer...."

sir, i do not believe that the referenced bivalve partook of the dextral/sinistral indecisiveness that reflects the weakness of mind of lesser bivalves, or primarily those ubiquitous but vicious moral relativists, the gastropoda.

and i, for one, would not trade gyra for even a five-inch t-rex tooth. my fossils can rest comfortably in the knowledge that they are not of transient importance to me, at least not for now...

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How old would this thing be?

Ignoring for a moment that where you found it will help narrow things down, camelids came to be in the Eocene, eventually spread to the Old World (via the Bering Land Bridge) and S. America (via the Panamanian Land Bridge), and ultimately went extinct in N. Am. about 11,000 years ago.

That's a pretty big window, so explore the age of the deposits that might have contributed the tooth, and/or take it to a museum for a specialist to look at. For me, the fun begins when a fossil is found; I like to learn as much as I can about it. :)

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Rancholabrean as Auri said

Grüße,

Daniel A. Wöhr aus Südtexas

"To the motivated go the spoils."

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Wonderful specimen! Those canines are impressive.

How do the incisors in that mandible compare in size to the one that Miles found?

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Here is the front of a camel mandible you can use for comparison.

That is an impressive specimen and a great picture for future reference (especially when I find the rest of the pieces that MilesofTx missed). I have saved that one to my hard drive.

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That is an impressive specimen and a great picture for future reference (especially when I find the rest of the pieces that MilesofTx missed). I have saved that one to my hard drive.

See ya out ther Mike. I am gonna try to go this afternoon.

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So, I guess what I was trying to explain is that perhaps at one point camelids in North America were probably carniverous at one point and then evolved to become herbivorous later. Just a theory and I dont know for sure.

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So, I guess what I was trying to explain is that perhaps at one point camelids in North America were probably carniverous at one point and then evolved to become herbivorous later. Just a theory and I dont know for sure.

I don't think so... not that I know of.

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See ya out ther Mike. I am gonna try to go this afternoon.

You guys (mmhhm, cough ) I mean y'all should come out to Whiskey Bridge the day after Thanksgiving and collect some new stuff.

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So, I guess what I was trying to explain is that perhaps at one point camelids in North America were probably carniverous at one point and then evolved to become herbivorous later. Just a theory and I dont know for sure.

I agree with 'Auriculatus" -- there is no evidence for dedicated carnivory in camelids.

In fact, can you (or anyone here) think of any artiodactyl or perissodactyl that has made the shift from herbivory to carnivory? I am not talking about scavenging or opportunistic meat-eating by the Suidae. Nor am I talking about re-cycling a placenta. I mean dedicated carnivory where it's meat or starvation.

Conversely, can you think of any example of a carnivore that has shifted from carnivory to herbivory? The only example I can think of is the giant panda (I am not certain about the distantly-related red panda). Again, I am talking about dedicated herbivory where it's get the greens or starve, not about bears eating berries in season.

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I'm in agreement with the above. For sake of this debate how about the transition in Dinos primarily designed for meat eating but consisting of some parts which seem herbivorous... Falcarius utahensis come to mind.

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