ebrocklds Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 http://picasaweb.google.com/ebrocklds/ManningCanyonShale# this is part of the stuff i collected from this locality near my home. the small fish (on grey rock and the fish looks like a "J" ) is only the secend know specimen of Utahcanthis guntheri. the shrimp represent several undescribed species of which my collection will provide 2-4 holotypes. the "dragonfly" megasecopteran, is also a new species and genus with it possibly being the oldest winged insect found. ( Bruno if you have any knowledge of other mid to early carboniferouse winged insects i would be very interested in seeing the publications) these fossils are preserved in a claystone atrix and have been hematite replaced, hence the red coloration of most of them. this site is now mostly gone as it was a clay pit and they have backfilled it with construction waste. no new material wil ever come from the main site. there are however two smaller less productive sites that i poke around at every once in a while. Brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Amazing, and significant! (Why do you have to make it sound so easy?) I am fascinated What is the thinking on the depositional environment? The flora/fauna mix seems more Mazon-like than coal swamp. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrocklds Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 it is not really like the coal swamps. it was probably a low energy stream or seasonal lake. the fine grained sediments are almost entirely clays, this allows for the fine detail preservation of the fossils especially the fauna. the small fish, about 2.5 inches, still has scale details. and the megasecopteran has wing veination. here is a part of the illustration that i am working on for the publication. Brock megasecopterawingline.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdutronc Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 http://picasaweb.google.com/ebrocklds/ManningCanyonShale#this is part of the stuff i collected from this locality near my home. the small fish (on grey rock and the fish looks like a "J" ) is only the secend know specimen of Utahcanthis guntheri. the shrimp represent several undescribed species of which my collection will provide 2-4 holotypes. the "dragonfly" megasecopteran, is also a new species and genus with it possibly being the oldest winged insect found. ( Bruno if you have any knowledge of other mid to early carboniferouse winged insects i would be very interested in seeing the publications) these fossils are preserved in a claystone atrix and have been hematite replaced, hence the red coloration of most of them. this site is now mostly gone as it was a clay pit and they have backfilled it with construction waste. no new material wil ever come from the main site. there are however two smaller less productive sites that i poke around at every once in a while. Brock Here is Gallotupus a new meganeurid find near LIEVIN france part 1 gallo_1.pdf gallo2.pdf gallo3.pdf gallo4.pdf gallo5.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdutronc Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Here is Gallotupus a new meganeurid find near LIEVIN france part 1 gallotupus the end ..... gallo_6.pdf gallo7.pdf gallo8.pdf gallo9.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nicholas Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Excellent specimens! Like Auspex I found it hard to believe it was coal swamp. To me it seems a lake is more likely than even the river is such small details such as the wing veins are preserved, however that is my opinion. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 ...this site is now mostly gone as it was a clay pit and they have backfilled it with construction waste. no new material wil ever come from the main site....Brock That is heart breaking At least your specimens remain, and are being well curated "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 gallotupus the end ..... Thank you for the paper, Bruno! "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdutronc Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 it is not really like the coal swamps. it was probably a low energy stream or seasonal lake. the fine grained sediments are almost entirely clays, this allows for the fine detail preservation of the fossils especially the fauna. the small fish, about 2.5 inches, still has scale details. and the megasecopteran has wing veination. here is a part of the illustration that i am working on for the publication. Brock I see your pictures ,wowwww the colours ...... It may be a channel or a delta to the open sea, there are lots of wood, stems without leaves, numerous pieces of torn pinnae,pieces of plants removed by the stream or the wind,it is a very exposed aera , the deposit is not quiet , I recognize some typical kinds of coal higher seem to be present from the lower namurien .....and the marine fauna ,brachiopoda affinity, genus orthis productus.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdutronc Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 That is heart breaking At least your specimens remain, and are being well curated Auspex I do not understand the meaning of "curated" I know the meaning of "curate" ,"un curé" "un vicaire" in french, that is slang ....???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 AuspexI do not understand the meaning of "curated" I know the meaning of "curate" ,"un curé" "un vicaire" in french, that is slang ....???? It is the past-tense of the verb "(to) curate": To act as curator of; organize and oversee. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdutronc Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 It is the past-tense of the verb "(to) curate": To act as curator of; organize and oversee. ooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk,understand,verstehen,comprendo,compris ...........merci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Excellent specimens! Like Auspex I found it hard to believe it was coal swamp. To me it seems a lake is more likely than even the river is such small details such as the wing veins are preserved, however that is my opinion.Thanks for sharing. Say, Nick, any clay pits on your island? "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrocklds Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 here is another paper on carboniferous insects. this one was found the same place as mine. Brock brodioptera_stricklani.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdutronc Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 here is another paper on carboniferous insects.this one was found the same place as mine. Brock I look on the web to find this paper in PDF file ,but I don't find ,Can someone give me the link thank you .... Bruno TIDWELL, W. D. 1967. Flora of Manning Canyon Shale, Part I: A lowermost Pennsylvanian flora from the Manning Canyon Shale, Utah, and its stratigraphic significance. Brigham Young Univ. Geol. Studies, 14: 1-66. 1975. Common fossil plants of western North America. Brigham Young Univ. Press, Provo, Utah., 197 pp. TIDWELL, W D., D. A’. MEDLYN, AND A. D. SIMPER 1974. Flora of the Manning Canyon Shale, Part II: Lepidodendrales. Brigham Young Univ. Geol. Studies, 21(3): 119-146. WEBSTER, G. D., P. BRENCKLE, M. GORDON, JR., H. R. LANE, R. L. LANGENHEIM, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrocklds Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 bruno i will post them when i get some time. Brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crinus Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 http://picasaweb.google.com/ebrocklds/ManningCanyonShale#this is part of the stuff i collected from this locality near my home. the small fish (on grey rock and the fish looks like a "J" ) is only the secend know specimen of Utahcanthis guntheri. the shrimp represent several undescribed species of which my collection will provide 2-4 holotypes. the "dragonfly" megasecopteran, is also a new species and genus with it possibly being the oldest winged insect found. ( Bruno if you have any knowledge of other mid to early carboniferouse winged insects i would be very interested in seeing the publications) these fossils are preserved in a claystone atrix and have been hematite replaced, hence the red coloration of most of them. this site is now mostly gone as it was a clay pit and they have backfilled it with construction waste. no new material wil ever come from the main site. there are however two smaller less productive sites that i poke around at every once in a while. Brock Brock I think I may have collected the spot many, many years ago. I found a spot some where in your area. I remember that it was west of the freeway and not too far from the freeway. I collected quite a bit of plant material. The boxes of stuff I brought home have never been opened since. Now you have given me some incentive to open them up. I never knew anything about the site and had no information. Your information and references should help me out. Too, bad about it being filled in with constuction waste. I thought it was a good site and easy to collect. It would have been great for kids. crinus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrocklds Posted December 31, 2008 Author Share Posted December 31, 2008 crinus, sounds interesting. please post pics of what you have. i t could very well be the same site. Brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrocklds Posted December 31, 2008 Author Share Posted December 31, 2008 ok so i am trying to scan a couple papers for bruno, what is the easiers way to make a multipage pdf. i have a scanner, photoshop, openoffice, illustrator and a few other programs. any help would be appreciated. also posted in the general section to get more people to answer. Brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrocklds Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 ok Bruno and everyone else. here is the third in the set of publications. i am not sure why i started with number 3 i just did. anyways here it is. Brock Flora_of_Manning_Canyon_Shale__Part_III_Sphenophyta.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 ok Bruno and everyone else. here is the third in the set of publications. i am not sure why i started with number 3 i just did. anyways here it is.Brock I guess you can add "mastry of ocr" to your resume. I'll be following the countdown (assuming #2 is next; we'll have to wait & see) "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrocklds Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 nope i am working on number one. it is the biggest. then number two. and then if i get the courage i will do a book for you all. Brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdutronc Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 nope i am working on number one. it is the biggest. then number two. and then if i get the courage i will do a book for you all.Brock Hi Brock Happy new year to you and your family Thank you for sharing with us these publications,this paper a the sphenophytes is very interesting, I look forward to the paper on lepidophytes Here is a plate on that I've earned sphenopappy new year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrocklds Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 here is part 1 . part 2 to follow. Flora_of_Manning_Canyon_Shale__part_I.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrocklds Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 i have noticed that there have been a few spelling errors in the pdfs that i hav eposted. just to inform you. brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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