Fossilcollector Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Normally I'm an arthropod guy but every now and then birds happen to end up in my collection for one reason or another, usually trades.So, here are two bird items that could use some ID, at least to the general type of bird it is (duck, hawk, sparrow, etc)1) Large bird skull that came back from prep, it's real, no restoration except glue. Supposedly its an ostrich but I'm not a bird guy. Miocene in age.2) Small bird skeleton from the Green River formation, what's neat about this piece is that it has a 3D breastbone.All help is appreciated. Also, I'm willing to consider offers and trades since I'm more into things that are pre-eocene.Take care,YvW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOROPUS Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Normally I'm an arthropod guy but every now and then birds happen to end up in my collection for one reason or another, usually trades.So, here are two bird items that could use some ID, at least to the general type of bird it is (duck, hawk, sparrow, etc)1) Large bird skull that came back from prep, it's real, no restoration except glue. Supposedly its an ostrich but I'm not a bird guy. Miocene in age.2) Small bird skeleton from the Green River formation, what's neat about this piece is that it has a 3D breastbone.All help is appreciated. Also, I'm willing to consider offers and trades since I'm more into things that are pre-eocene.Take care,YvW Call Auspex; he`s your man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The Green River bird looks like Gallinuloides wyomingensis, a small "shorebird" from the early radiation of the order. The skull I need to work on. Freaking wonderful fossils! (Relax, breathe slowly, send them to meeee). 1 "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bmorefossil Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The Green River bird looks like Gallinuloides wyomingensis, a small "shorebird" from the early radiation of the order. The skull I need to work on.Freaking wonderful fossils! (Relax, breathe slowly, send them to meeee). hey did you hear that he is willing to trade (= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 hey did you hear that he is willing to trade (= I'll trade you bmorefossil for both pieces! (Thanks bmore, you're a real pal ) "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bmorefossil Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I'll trade you bmorefossil for both pieces!(Thanks bmore, you're a real pal ) oh so thats all im worth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOROPUS Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The Green River bird looks like Gallinuloides wyomingensis, a small "shorebird" from the early radiation of the order. The skull I need to work on.Freaking wonderful fossils! (Relax, breathe slowly, send them to meeee). See! I say you that Auspex was your man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOROPUS Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 The big skull.Could it be Otis sp.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossilcollector Posted January 14, 2009 Author Share Posted January 14, 2009 Here are two more pics to help with ID. Thanks for the help so far and thank you Auspex for the ID of the wyoming bird.One is a top view, which may help with the skull shape.Another is a close up from the side.-YvWPS: Oh, I'd trade for another saber tooth species for my collection, or maybe a couple of carboniferous insect wings. Something like that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bmorefossil Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 i swear this skull looks alot like a seagull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 i swear this skull looks alot like a seagull For any of the larids, we'd see a very prominent supraorbital "groove" and a trough-like temporal fossa. Even if this skull is more deformed than it looks in the pics, those features aren't there. So far, the most similar morphology I've found is Grebe (but I'm not done yet). 1 "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Update:If it's Miocene, and if what remains of the mandibles exhibit the right stuff, I'm begining to lean toward Struthio asiaticus, an extinct ostrich.How good is the provenance? 1 "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossilcollector Posted January 15, 2009 Author Share Posted January 15, 2009 The provenance is very good, that I'm sure of. They did tell me they thought it was an ostrich skull when I originally got it, just needed a bit of prep work to clean off matrix from half of it. I tried to match it up before but had difficulty finding ostrich skulls to look at. -YvW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bmorefossil Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Update:If it's Miocene, and if what remains of the mandibles exhibit the right stuff, I'm begining to lean toward Struthio asiaticus, an extinct ostrich.How good is the provenance? oh ostrich does look right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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