Archie Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I often find these little scales whilst hunting in an Upper Carboniferous/Pennsylvanian Westphalian A fish bed in the Midland Valley of Scotland (Fife), can anyone point me in the direction of what sort of fish they might be from? For some reason I'm thinking some sort of lobe fin rather than a ray fin? This is the largest Ive found at 4mm across. Any help much appreciated! Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) I know placoderm armor and other bits have a similar pattern. Edited March 14, 2016 by fossilized6s ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Dactyll Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 They look a little like the Strepsodus scales I posted in my gallery from Sandyforth opencast.... Cheers Steve... And Welcome if your a New Member... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I think lobe finned fish is a good general ID. Some of the coelacanth scales I find are similar, Sam. Neat looking for sure. Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 Thanks a lot for the suggestions guys, I thought that too about placoderm armor fossilized6s but this would be a bit too late for a plac. It looks like those scales are the same as I'm finding Steve they look almost identical but I'd thought these here were Strepsodus sauroides scales? Maybe I'm wrong though and they're from another Rhizodont, maybe Rhizodus hibberti? I'm sure I came across a few pics online of upper carb Coelacanth scales that looked a lot like these Tim, that was long before I found any myself though and I cant seem to find the site they were on again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckmerlin Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) Hi Archie nice scales ! I too find these scales in the same aged material as you are hunting. I think these are Ceolacanth scales heres a link to a pdf http://cdn.palass.org/publications/palaeontology/volume_24/pdf/vol24_part1_pp203-229.pdf heres some of my scale specimens pic 1 rhizodont pics 2 to 4 ceolacanth scales 4 looks most like the one you posted pic 6 newset find which looks different not sure what ? best regards chris Edited March 15, 2016 by ckmerlin 2 "A man who stares at a rock must have a lot on his mind... or nothing at all' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Hi Archie nice scales ! I too find these scales in the same aged material as you are hunting. I think these are Ceolacanth scales heres a link to a pdf http://cdn.palass.org/publications/palaeontology/volume_24/pdf/vol24_part1_pp203-229.pdf heres some of my scale specimens pic 1 rhizodont pics 2 to 4 ceolacanth scales 4 looks most like the one you posted pic 6 newset find which looks different not sure what ? best regards chris Chris, Nice examples, all! I think the last one may be a piece of actinopterygian skull plate - I have seen similar squamation on some of these that I find here in the Jurassic. Cheers! 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckmerlin Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Chris, Nice examples, all! I think the last one may be a piece of actinopterygian skull plate - I have seen similar squamation on some of these that I find here in the Jurassic. Cheers! Hi Tim thanks for the heads up on actinopterygian skull plate makes perfect sense to me best regard chris "A man who stares at a rock must have a lot on his mind... or nothing at all' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Cheers Chris, your scales are excellent! Thank you for the very interesting link, I think you've just helped me ID quite a few more of my miscellaneous fish bits! I agree with Tim that last pic looks a lot like a skull plate on one of my lower Carboniferous actinopterygians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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