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North Carolina's Cretaceous Black Creek Group


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Hi everyone. I have some questions about the late Cretaceous Black Creek Group of eastern North Carolina. Mainly regarding the fauna.

The Black Creek Group is late Cretaceous and stretches from the early Campanian into the early Maastrichtian. It is divided into three formations; the Tarheel (early Campanian), Bladen (middle Campanian) and the Donoho Creek( late Campanian into the early Maastrichtian). There are several deposits that contain more than one of the formations along with Cretaceous PeeDee. All of this is often reworked into Eocene Castle Hayne limestone.

Since it is often intermingled and reworked in a lag deposit, is there any publications or lists of the fauna from each of these formations. I know some of the teeth; i.e. Scapanorhynchus texanus are most likely known in all of them, but I am curious about species that may be known from only one.

Thanks.

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doushantuo, thanks for your response. The second paper I already have. The first does help some.

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Have you looked at the elasmo site under fauna header. There is a blackcreek listing and lots species shown. Lots of references also listed .

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Have you looked at the elasmo site under fauna header. There is a blackcreek listing and lots species shown. Lots of references also listed .

Elasmo does indeed give a BlackCreek group listing, but not an individual member ( Tarheel, Bladen and Donoho Creek) listing. The paper by Cindy Crane does have a very good Bladen listing, but I am still looking for something showing the Tarheel and the Donoho Creek.

I know this may sound nitpicky, as many of the species encompass all 3. But for example Borealsuchus is known from the Tarheel, but possibly not the others.

I use Elasmo extensively and suggest it to many people. It is always a good start.

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Sixgill,

You might have to try another angle. Find a researcher, such as someone who has written about east coast Borealsuchus or just crocodiles, and ask if he or she has even unofficial faunal lists for the members of the Black Creek Group. If you don't find anyone, you might have to dig around at a library for applicable guidebook reports or a thesis/dissertation. In my own research for other things I sometimes find faunal lists that are used by a small group of researchers but are not officially published.

Somebody like Jim Knight (not sure if he's still at the Charleston Museum) or David R. Schwimmer might be able to help.

Jess

Elasmo does indeed give a BlackCreek group listing, but not an individual member ( Tarheel, Bladen and Donoho Creek) listing. The paper by Cindy Crane does have a very good Bladen listing, but I am still looking for something showing the Tarheel and the Donoho Creek.

I know this may sound nitpicky, as many of the species encompass all 3. But for example Borealsuchus is known from the Tarheel, but possibly not the others.

I use Elasmo extensively and suggest it to many people. It is always a good start.

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Thanks Jess, that sounds like a good angle to take on this.

Sixgill,

You might have to try another angle. Find a researcher, such as someone who has written about east coast Borealsuchus or just crocodiles, and ask if he or she has even unofficial faunal lists for the members of the Black Creek Group. If you don't find anyone, you might have to dig around at a library for applicable guidebook reports or a thesis/dissertation. In my own research for other things I sometimes find faunal lists that are used by a small group of researchers but are not officially published.

Somebody like Jim Knight (not sure if he's still at the Charleston Museum) or David R. Schwimmer might be able to help.

Jess

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Them red clay piles are heaven on earth
I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt

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