mommabetts Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Just watched the new this evening and they were talking about a dig going on right now outside of Glen Rose, on the McFall ranch. The news showed the footprints of the therapod and the human prints together. It was interesting. For report go to cbs11tv.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irradiatus Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Just watched the new this evening and they were talking about a dig going on right now outside of Glen Rose, on the McFall ranch. The news showed the footprints of the therapod and the human prints together. It was interesting. For report go to cbs11tv.com Just read the report. Uh huh, I'll believe that when I see it. Actually I would still find it astronomically more likely that it was a hoax. The one thing about the fossil record - it's is insanely consistent, if fragmentary. And it has consistently shown us that human and therapod existence is quite a few tens of millions of years apart. Hell, mammals were barely existent back then. But primates? LOL - no. Update - OMG, I just checked out the scientist quoted in the piece, cause I thought it was a bit odd that he said "We are looking for the truth. We don't want anything else but the truth." See, that is a very non-scientist thing to say, and it instantly threw up a red flag to me (as a scientist). I say this because when one is actually in the practice of being a good scientist, a statement like that is like a commercial fisherman saying "no really, we're just out here to catch fish." If you're a scientist, a statement like that is less than unnecessary. Yeah this guy, Carl Baugh, is a young earth creationist discredited in the scientific community and with a questionable education. He is obviously seeking to prove his own ideas - not actually do what good scientists do, which is let the data speak for themselves. Sigh...it is Texas (I was born and raised in east Texas, FYI) "The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be. " - Douglas Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irradiatus Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Check this out for some rather hilarious reading on Baugh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Baugh "The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be. " - Douglas Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irradiatus Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 lol I re-read the article again (here)...the first paragraph it says "Did you ever think that there were dinosaurs in North Texas? As it turns out, this is one of the most prolific areas for dinosaur tracks in the state. One group of scientists have even found tracks dating back millions of years." Read that last line again "One group of scientists have even found tracks dating back millions of years." Cause, you know, all those other groups found tracks that weren't millions of years old... absolutely hilarious...and mind-numbingly maddening. Also, if you look at the url of the story (http://cbs11tv.com/pets/Texas.Dinosaur.Capital.2.1069336.html) it's filed under "pets." What kind of of incompetents are running that station? "The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be. " - Douglas Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceH Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 They showed what looked like a cast of a human footprint. That must be a fake one Baugh owns. It's not even a good fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irradiatus Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Full disclosure: I just blogged about this (a rehash of my thoughts above). "The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be. " - Douglas Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roz Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Have been there and here is one of the dino tracks. Welcome to the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traviscounty Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 That dude has been spouting that &%$^ for quite some time. However, everyone can come to their own conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irradiatus Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Have been there and here is one of the dino tracks. that's a pretty rad track. Just imagine those dudes roaming the countryside... "The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be. " - Douglas Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roz Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 You ever see Glen Kuban's site? When he lived in this state he studied them. Moved to Ohio (I think) it was. Glen's Site Welcome to the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Just watched the new this evening and they were talking about a dig going on right now outside of Glen Rose, on the McFall ranch. The news showed the footprints of the therapod and the human prints together. It was interesting. For report go to cbs11tv.com Dinosaur specialists have looked at the "human footprints" before and determined them to be heel marks of theropods. We don't walk with just the flats of our toes like many other mammals do - we use our heels too. Theropods walked on the flats of their toes (like ostriches) and apparently sat back on their heels when at rest - still ready to run. Also, not only do creationists expect people to believe that there were humans during the Early Cretaceous, but also that they were giants that never left any other sign of their presence until the Pleistocene - only those rather shapeless mudprints with no discernable toes or other features that could clearly, or even sort of clearly, identify them as human fossils. I'm not slamming anybody's religion or world view. If you want to claim that dinosaurs and humans were living together in the Cretaceous, that's fine (this is America), but if you want it in a science book, you must have measurements and other back-up data to show that those globular holes in the ground could be nothing other than giant human footprints. If they were humans, why aren't there trackways of them instead of just an isolated one or two among the dinosaur tracks. Giant humans would sink in the mud just as far. What was the show where the lady thought she had a potato chip that looked like Nixon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossilcollector Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Reminds me of the time I found what appeared to be a fossil handgun in the Devonian (turned out to be a placoderm part). Wouldn't it be awesome if one of the guys down there "found" a T-rex bone with a bullet wound? -YvW PS: Remind me to shoot a T-Rex bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedative Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Those guys aren't even funny. To quote one of the scientists in this article: "It’s rather scary.” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/science/30muse.html?_r=1 It's funny how Baugh gets called a 'scientist' in that article. The same guy who believes in 'hexagonal water' What I'm worried about so far is if they discover legitimate fossil finds that would've been valuable to real science (like what some of the fossil trackways they've appropriated would seem to be) and vandalize it to construct proof for their preconceived 'truth'. And yeah, like siteseer said, they're probably simply more dinosaur tracks that are either eroded or just happen to resemble human footprints. And some of the 'lone footprint' discoveries are nothing more than pseudofossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Just watched the new this evening and they were talking about a dig going on right now outside of Glen Rose, on the McFall ranch. The news showed the footprints of the therapod and the human prints together. It was interesting. For report go to cbs11tv.com The Flintstones lives together with dinos... http://www.mbfossilcrabs.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldom Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 The Flintstones lives together with dinos... The show has mastodons living with dino's and the wheel 50+ million years before it was invented I have a problem with the show think it was made up very few if any facts Galveston Island 32 miles long 2 miles wide 134 bars 23 liquor stores any questions? Evolution is Chimp Change. Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass; it's about learning to dance in the rain! "I like to listen. I have learned a great deal from listening carefully. Most people never listen." Ernest Hemingway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 <snip>Also, not only do creationists expect people to believe that there were humans during the Early Cretaceous, .... <snip> It paints with too broad a brush to call these folks "creationists." There are plenty of Roman Catholics and other sectarians who believe in creation AND in the evolution of life over billions of years. The people trying to associate humans and dinosaurs are "young-earth creationists" or just "young-earthers." This human-dinosaur footprint claim has been so thoroughly de-bunked that it's hard to believe it has any life left. But, I guess that's what you get when observers rely on belief rather than facts. * * * * * "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." --Dan Quayle http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Menser Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 The scary part about this is the more these people feel their 'truths' are threatened the more desperate they will become to prove they are right. Manufacturing false evidence or even destroying fossils will seem God's work to them. Be true to the reality you create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverphoenix Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Very true, belief can often lead one to do illogical things, because their actions are not based on logic. Some people still believe that the earth is flat and that the moon is made of cheese. Sad fact is that a lot of people base their perception of "reality" on what they "feel" and "believe", no matter what facts and solid evidence are presented to them that prove the contrary. I think the old saying goes, "You can't fix Stupid!!!" ...though stupidity can do A LOT of damage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Matters of faith cannot be successfully argued with logic, any more than logic can be argued by the heart. The most desirable outcome is for each side to respect the others choice between logic and passion, as the two are incomparable. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverphoenix Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Very true, I completely agree. I just don't see why these people think that science and religion are at "war"--really a person can have their faith and science as well. I should have clarified, but my meaning was that these specific people are wrong to try to tamper with science to try to make it fit their faith and they are wrong to deceive people to come into their faith. It just really frustrates me--the same as how it's frustrating that people just flat out believe them without checking the facts. Sorry if I was a little too strong on that; I've just had a few too many arguements with a few too many people who acted as though their faith is right and therefore anything that science shows that isn't inline with their faith automatically has to be wrong. And it's also interesting that "young earth creationists" believe what they do, as most of their faith that "conflicts" with science happens to be distortions of their faith resulting from interpretation. Christianity as a whole is accepting of evolution from what I have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traviscounty Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Some people say cucumbers are better pickled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Matters of faith cannot be successfully argued with logic, any more than logic can be argued by the heart. The most desirable outcome is for each side to respect the others choice between logic and passion, as the two are incomparable. That is a gross oversimplification, 'Auspex.' The truth is that young-earthers are caught in a scriptural bind. They MUST demonstrate that scientists are wrong, or the scriptural fundament of their belief-system comes crashing down. There is no "you go your way, and I'll go mine" with young-earthers. They are aggressive because they believe they have everything to lose. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracer Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Some people say cucumbers are better pickled. i like both, and i like sauerkraut and pickled jalepenos, all mixed together, with a little tabasco on it and just a dash of annm to give it a bit of "zip". but some would say that last ingredient is a bit over the top. <snoopy dancing like a wild man while shadow boxing> oh, man, look at that cool topic over there! <rushing out of the room> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 That is a gross oversimplification, 'Auspex.' The truth is that young-earthers are caught in a scriptural bind. They MUST demonstrate that scientists are wrong, or the scriptural fundament of their belief-system comes crashing down. There is no "you go your way, and I'll go mine" with young-earthers. They are aggressive because they believe they have everything to lose. All too true, but they can't win my heart any more than I can win their minds. If this is what they believe, I respect their right to do so, and expect the same in return. Arguing mind-to-heart is pointless. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traviscounty Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 I have always believed in the "live and let live" motto. The problem comes when people feel threatened by people who think differently than they do. If you believe the earth is 6,000 yrs. old, that's fine. However, don't berate me for believing in the scientific findings, and try to convince me of your beliefs. The truth is out there. Here's a link. http://www.thefossilforum.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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