New Members cipollinaj Posted December 13, 2017 New Members Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) HI, I am new to fossil collecting and I wanted a mammoth tooth for my office. Through the internet , I contacted a fellow in Russia who claimed to have dug mammoth fossils . He sent me some photos. I'm no expert , but this looks fresh to me . I asked are you sure this is a 10,000 year old fossil and not from a modern day elephant and possibly from poaching . His reply was that the permafrost is an excellent preservative and they had found animals with skin and hair . What is your opinion. Edited December 13, 2017 by cipollinaj added line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taogan Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Russia is a long way to go for mammoth if you are in Westchester, there are plenty of American teeth available, but the material from places like Yakutia is normally OK and does look fresh. Mammoth does look different to elephant so you should be able to check by comparing pictures online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members cipollinaj Posted December 13, 2017 Author New Members Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) Hi Taogan, Thanks for your reply. I have compared it to pictures online. The occlusal surface is similar to modern day asian elephants so is difficult to discriminate if it mammoth or not. My question is... Can a 5000 to 10000 year old fossil be so pristine and keep such original color after being exposed to permafrost and then thaw ?? PS-MY wife puts meat in the freezer and it looks worse then this after 6 months Edited December 13, 2017 by cipollinaj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AnThOnY- Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 The quick answer is yes. Bones from mammoths removed from permafrost and left exposed actually start to rot and smell like a fresh kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Post good pictures of it if You are unsure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members cipollinaj Posted December 13, 2017 Author New Members Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) Hi, I have this photo. If this is a mammoth tooth and if its this perfect and correct I will purchase.He actually has 2 and they are NOT cheap. My thought are that a mammoth tusk is an incisor tooth (and like any other tooth has an enamel surface ) and they don't look pristine like these molars Please give me your thoughts. Thanks Edited December 13, 2017 by cipollinaj I corrected my english :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I’m not seeing any images. Can you use this link in the reply box to upload to the forum 1 John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members cipollinaj Posted December 13, 2017 Author New Members Share Posted December 13, 2017 hi John, I notice I cannot see photos using my phone but I do see them on the computer. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taogan Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 No pictures, just a link to AOL that I can't open, I don't have an account with them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) You need you photos on your computer not online. Then when you reply to this thread click the ‘click to choose file’ and find your image on your computer and upload. You’ll then need to click the + button to add it to your post. Edited December 13, 2017 by JohnBrewer Speling and grammer John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members cipollinaj Posted December 14, 2017 Author New Members Share Posted December 14, 2017 Hi, I'm sorry the first photos didn't come out but I needed the youth to help me out As i said, I was in contact with someone from Russia who has said he dug fossils of mammoths and he had some mammoth teeth for sale. He sent me photos of which I enclosed one . I was just curious as the quality of these fossils were amazing. I just question if these are truly 10000 year old fossils dug from the permafrost. Can you just advise if you feel this is a true mammoth fossil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Yep its a real beauty too. It might have a consolidant applied to help keep it all together, but that is quite normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimravis Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 That is a great looking tooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Beautiful tooth, the roots are extraordinary! Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Topics merged, for continuity. Nice tooth. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, cipollinaj said: Hi, I'm sorry the first photos didn't come out but I needed the youth to help me out As i said, I was in contact with someone from Russia who has said he dug fossils of mammoths and he had some mammoth teeth for sale. He sent me photos of which I enclosed one . I was just curious as the quality of these fossils were amazing. I just question if these are truly 10000 year old fossils dug from the permafrost. Can you just advise if you feel this is a true mammoth fossil. Darn kids, there's no better way to show up us old croneys than in the subject of electronic devices. If you ever have a problem with computers, phones, tablets or anything that requires electrical plug ins, just ask a child. I always feel so stupid when I can't get something to work and it takes them about ten seconds to fix it. Sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Honestly to address your initial concern there is no definitive answer. Asian Elephant teeth are extremely similar to Mammoth teeth. Maybe someone like @Harry Pristis could spread some knowledge on this issue. But if you're really concerned just buy a Mastodon tooth. There's no mistaking those teeth with any living Elephants. Lol ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members cipollinaj Posted December 14, 2017 Author New Members Share Posted December 14, 2017 Thanks for your replies....and you're correct, if I buy a mastodon tooth there would not be a problem I hope that someone could give more definitive ways to tell the mammoth from the asian elephant tooth. I'm an Orthodontist so I am a little out of my comfort zone discussing fossils with experts. I see on the internet that Georges Cuvier in 1796 did a paper on the differences and he shows the midline of the mandible being more narrow in the asian elephant than the mammoth. His drawing also shows what appears to be more wavy enamel ridges on the asian elephant. I don't have a mandible in my case to go by , yet if you look at all examples of mammoth molars on the internet today, you see a predominance of these wavy enamel ridges in the better preserved ones. Is Cuvier correct with his drawing and most of these wavy " mammoth" examples are from the more recent asian elephant ? Also, is permafrost such a great preservative that the tooth above could be so flawless ? It also doesn't weigh more than an elephant's tooth from today as it was not fossilized by replacement of its organic components by minerals as you see in most fossils today. Your thoughts ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhead9 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 This is definitely a mammoth tooth and not a modern elephant tooth. It was probably removed from a section of jaw, which would account for it's amazing preservation. It is a top quality specimen. Modern elephant teeth are generally white with a brown ring around the chewing surface. Here is a photo of a typical modern elephant tooth. Still Life Fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taogan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Looks like a recently removed mammoth tooth, has to be Siberian and has to be removed from an intact jaw to get that level of preservation in the roots. It looks as near perfect as you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 That is an amazing looking tooth. Real? Yes. The root structure is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 17 hours ago, caldigger said: Darn kids, there's no better way to show up us old croneys than in the subject of electronic devices. Hehe. Stunning tooth, well worth waiting for the images! John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members cipollinaj Posted December 15, 2017 Author New Members Share Posted December 15, 2017 Thanks for all your help. I realize from reading posts on different forums that experts can actually identify different mammoth species from their enamel ridges and the distance been ridges. Where would I get that info and would one be able to identify my example if I did not know it was from Siberia ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhead9 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Mammuthus primigenius Still Life Fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Members cipollinaj Posted December 24, 2017 Author New Members Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) Thanks !!! Just one more question if I can, why do you think there is a brown ring around the gingival margin of extant elephants and not Mammoths and is this the most definitive way to differentiate an asian elephant's molar from a mammoth's ?? Edited December 24, 2017 by cipollinaj .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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