Kurufossils Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Found this that I believe is a cephalopod today at a devonian spot with imported material, I haven't seen a cephalopod with a bulbed tip before so I am not sure if it's some sort of pathology of a species or it's own species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 What do you mean by 'imported material'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Not sure given the pictures, but it could just be fractured where it is more exposed. That being said, there are nautiloids that terminate in a rounded shape. 1 ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Without preserved septa to give a sense of orientation I suspect it may just appear to be a bulb. A bit more careful preparation may help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I don't think the obvious "bulb" is the terminus; there seem to be ghostly indication of at least a couple more: It is also not clear to me that it is a cephalopod; I have seen burrows with similar morphology. 5 "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurufossils Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 33 minutes ago, jpc said: What do you mean by 'imported material'? I mean its's not native to the area, it came from rocks brought from a quarry in upstate new york Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurufossils Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, Auspex said: I don't think the obvious "bulb" is the terminus; there seem to be ghostly indication od at least a couple more: It is also not clear to me that it is a cephalopod; I have seen burrows with similar morphology. Yeah theres little marks that shows at least two more segments from the top, makes it have an oval shape to the tip, thank you for pointing that out didn't see those at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWill Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 There were several bulb-tipped Bactrites. Is there any reason to exclude them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Russell Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Could it be a siphuncle from a very large cephalopod. 2 Finding my way through life; one fossil at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurufossils Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, BobWill said: There were several bulb-tipped Bactrites. Is there any reason to exclude them? Would you happen to know of any that can be found in New York? Or any species names it would make a good reference point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rob Russell said: Could it be a siphuncle from a very large cephalopod. Good thought. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurufossils Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Rob Russell said: Could it be a siphuncle from a very large cephalopod. Yeah the rest of it is broken off so it's hard for me to guess the full length so that could be a possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWill Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Ryann10006 said: Would you happen to know of any that can be found in New York? Or any species names it would make a good reference point. Sorry, all the bulb-tipped ones I know of are Carboniferous and shown in a Mapes, 1979 paper. I don't have anything on any Devonian Bactrites. My comment was mostly meant as a suggestion for someone with more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 There is a possibility that this could be an Upper Devonian sponge, Ceratodictya annulata. 9 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 RigbyOklahomaPorifera(14.6Mb) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimTexan Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I know nothing about Devonian cephalopods, but from the cepholopods I do know I’ve never seen one like that. I’ve seen some with a bulb on the end, but nothing like that. It definitely isn’t a fossilized tomato caterpillar, but it kind of looks like a big fat one. I think sponge is a very likely option. 5 minutes ago, doushantuo said: RigbyOklahomaPorifera I haven’t see you around in awhile Ben. Good to see you on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Yeah, still on the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurufossils Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 @Fossildude19 @doushantuo Here are some close up of the texture if they helps, upon closer look it actually does look a bit spongy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 6 hours ago, Ryann10006 said: @Fossildude19 @doushantuo Here are some close up of the texture if they helps, upon closer look it actually does look a bit spongy. Unfortunately, I am not knowledgeable about sponges. The description in my field guide says this: It looks to me like a decent match to your item. Maybe @Spongy Joe or @TqB or @FossilDAWG will have something to add. 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TqB Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I'm also on the fence here, slightly leaning towards sponge. The dark break at the top seems to show hints of a network, similar to that on the surface, which might support sponge. But there's also a shell-like white layer visible around the edge of it... Looks very irregular for cephalopod, unless it's a very distorted siphuncle. 1 Tarquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Apart from stratigraphical considerations, more or less equidimensional globular "chambers" make me think of e.g. Amblysiphonella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, doushantuo said: Apart from stratigraphical considerations, more or less equidimensional globular "chambers" make me think of e.g. Amblysiphonella. According to Fossilworks, it isn't known from the Devonian of New York. 2 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 "apart from stratigraphical considerations" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 It does look similar, but taking into consideration the stratigraphical differences, (because we kinda have to) I think is just confuses the issue to mention it if it doesn't appear to be a possibility. Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 IPFOTM -- MAY - 2024 _________________________________________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Sphinctozoan sponges are known from the Cambrian onwards. edit :I take this remark back,with apologies to all concerned. Why"? I am reading a Reitner(1985) piece on the phylogeny of the "Sphinctozoa",and in it there's little that seems to support my remark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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