PrehistoricFlorida Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Saw this misidentified on eBay and thought it would make a good stumper topic. IDed on eBay as "bird bone". From the Pleistocene of Florida. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bj aurora Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Looks a little like a fish fin spine to me, but never having hunted FL, I could be way off base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracer Jr. Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 not sure on the animal, but it appears to be a bone pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 not sure on the animal, but it appears to be a bone pin. Despite what the eBay listing says, this is not an artifact. This bone is naturally occurring just like you see it here. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracer Jr. Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 interesting! im stumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Despite what the eBay listing says, this is not an artifact. This bone is naturally occurring just like you see it here. This eBayer made a couple of mistakes in his listing, didn't he. Occasionally, I've seen these bones broken and healed. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBurningMap Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 (edited) Looks like a well-worn fish spine.....perhaps catfish? Not enough spikes though....hmmm. I'm not sure about the base either. Interesting!! Edited September 21, 2009 by TheBurningMap TheBurningMap Space Coast, FL, USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 Looks like a well-worn fish spine.....perhaps catfish? Not enough spikes though....hmmm. I'm not sure about the base either. Interesting!! Nope. Not fish. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracer Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 i'm thinkin' it's a fine-o rhino spine-o, ho ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashcraft Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 It's a bakula, or a penal bone. Broken and healed? Ouch! Brent Ashcraft ashcraft, brent allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 It's a bakula, or a penal bone. Broken and healed? Ouch! Brent Ashcraft Nope. It's not a baculum. This is from a very common Pleistocene species. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracer Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 ok, ok, is it a "splint bone", a vestigial metacarpal or metatarsal of like a paleopony? hangs out beside the cannon bone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 Tracer is correct. This is a "splint bone" or reduced metapodial of a deer. These are found in horses, deer, peccaries, etc and are remnants of earlier species with more toes. Tracer gets the "Silver Kudos", similar to Harry's "Golden Kudos", but not as revered among Paleotologists. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Tracer is correct. This is a "splint bone" or reduced metapodial of a deer. These are found in horses, deer, peccaries, etc and are remnants of earlier species with more toes. Tracer gets the "Silver Kudos", similar to Harry's "Golden Kudos", but not as revered among Paleotologists. I have never found identified one of these deer splints. I thought this one must be a reduced metacarpal from a Plio-Pleistocene 3-toed horse because it has an articular head for a phalanx. That's why I posted the image of horse splints. Live and learn. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted September 21, 2009 Author Share Posted September 21, 2009 Harry, Yes, I thought yours were a little large for deer or peccary. Notice the size difference between yours and mine. Mine were also found on a strictly Pleistocene mammal site and are not from the Late Pliocene (Blancan) three-toed horse Nannippus. I'm of the opinion that not all deer had these during the Pleistocene. I've never found them on any of the deer that I've shot and butchered. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 (edited) Harry, Yes, I thought yours were a little large for deer or peccary. Notice the size difference between yours and mine. Mine were also found on a strictly Pleistocene mammal site and are not from the Late Pliocene (Blancan) three-toed horse Nannippus. I'm of the opinion that not all deer had these during the Pleistocene. I've never found them on any of the deer that I've shot and butchered. I don't think size of the head of the bones is much different, and the length of the little horse bones is indeterminate in the image (I think I have one or two complete specimens somewhere). I do see two features that are distinctly different, now that I'm focused on them. First, the deer splint seems to be straight - without curve - while the horse splints have a distinctive curve near the distal head. The second feature is that the deer splint flares out as it thins to nothing toward the proximal end. The horse splints don't grow thinner as they near the proximal end, but grow slighly more rubust. There is an actual articular surface on both ends of the horse splint. Here's what I mean: Edited September 21, 2009 by Harry Pristis http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharoh Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I have 2 peices in my collection that look exactly like those pictured.my problem is , one is completely hollow.i assumed both were bird,and one just fossilized with sediment inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I have 2 peices in my collection that look exactly like those pictured.my problem is , one is completely hollow.i assumed both were bird,and one just fossilized with sediment inside. Show us the images, and Nate will identify them. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharoh Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 im still photo catologing my finds,so it will have to be in the morning ,when i have some sunlight.should i post them in id section,or on this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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